[SarahC]

Totally agree Alex. Last I heard they were saying 12 and I thought that was a bit young.

I guess, if you think vaccines are the best thing since sliced bread and don't have any downsides at all, why wouldn't you give it to 9yolds, I mean it's protection ain't it?

However, if, like me, you think there may be lots of problems with vaccines, they are not necessarily as effective as they are made out to be and who knows what problem we get stored up for the future, then you are going to be concerned.

How do we know there won't be announcements twenty years from now, ooops, this vaccine causes problems with fertility or whatever.

And should we be giving something that interferes with the reproductive system - even if it does interfere in a good way and give immunity - to girls who are just starting puberty?

Nope, my daughter won't be getting it at age nine. When she's maybe 12/13, I'll try to help her make her own informed choice. If she wants to go for it then I will make sure she's as safe as possible by making sure she's really healthy when she has it and give plenty of Vitamin C and homeopathic support around the time. She's only six now, so hopefully we might know a bit more about the pros and cons of this particular vaccine by then.

I would not want to be one of the first cohort to be trying it. Not at all.

As for 100% effective, well that's new in the last few days! I saw Dr Hilary Jones on Lorraine Kelly just last week saying it won't be 100% effective and women will still need to have smears. He reckoned about 2/3 effective I think - though don't quote me on that, lol!

[Carol]

Well, I know two young ladies that won't be having this, all the while they live under my roof.
Once they are 18, and if, they ever leave home it will be their choice.
I will most definately disuade my ASD daughter against it, considering her reactions to other jabs and her high aluminium levels. 8)


I have taken the followiing from an article I found on JABS:-

MERCK'S GARDASIL VACCINE NOT PROVEN SAFE FOR LITTLE GIRLS
National Vaccine Information Center Criticizes
FDA for Fast Tracking Licensure

Washington, D.C. - The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to just say "no" on June 29 to recommending "universal use" of Merck's Gardasil vaccine in all pre-adolescent girls. NVIC maintains that Merck's clinical trials did not prove the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine designed to prevent cervical cancer and genital warts is safe to give to young girls.

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."

The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo.[1] A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum and, although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials. Merck and the FDA did not disclose how much aluminum was in the placebo.[2]

Animal and human studies have shown that aluminum can cause nerve cell death [3] and that vaccine aluminum adjuvants can allow aluminum to enter the brain, [4 5] as well as cause inflammation at the injection site leading to chronic joint and muscle pain and fatigue. [6 7] Nearly 90 percent of Gardasil recipients and 85 percent of aluminum placebo recipients followed-up for safety reported one or more adverse events within 15 days of vaccination, particularly at the injection site. Pain and swelling at injection site occurred in approximately 83 percent of Gardasil and 73 percent of aluminum placebo recipients. About 60 percent of those who got Gardasil or the aluminum placebo had systemic adverse events including headache, fever, nausea, dizziness, vomiting, diarrhea, myalgia. [9 10] Gardasil recipients had more serious adverse events such as headache, gastroenteritis, appendicitis, pelvic inflammatory disease, asthma, bronchospasm and arthritis.

"Merck and the FDA do not reveal in public documents exactly how many 9 to 15 year old girls were in the clinical trials, how many of them received hepatitis B vaccine and Gardasil simultaneously, and how many of them had serious adverse events after being injected with Gardasil or the aluminum placebo. For example, if there were less than 1,000 little girls actually injected with three doses of Gardasil, it is important to know how many had serious adverse events and how long they were followed for chronic health problems, such as juvenile arthritis."

According to the Merck product manufacturer insert, there was 1 case of juvenile arthritis, 2 cases of rheumatoid arthritis, 5 cases of arthritis, and 1 case of reactive arthritis out of 11,813 Gardasil recipients plus 1 case of lupus and 2 cases of arthritis out of 9,701 participants primarily receiving an aluminum containing placebo. Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated.

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepatitis B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC), founded in 1982 by parents of vaccine injured children, has been a leading critic of one-size-fits-all mass vaccination policies and the lack of basic science research into biological mechanisms and high risk factors for vaccine-induced brain and immune system dysfunction. As a member of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), Barbara Loe Fisher urged trials include adequate safety data on pre-adolescent children and warned against fast tracking Gardasil at the November 28-29, 2001 VRBPAC meeting .[11]

[SarahC]

Blimey, thanks for posting that, Carol.

Have changed my mind. She gets this over my dead body!

Terrifying stuff :'(

[SarahC]

Clinical trial investigators dismissed most of the 102 Gardasil and placebo associated serious adverse events, including 17 deaths, that occurred in the clinical trials as unrelated.


:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Rose]

I don't even want to think of my daughter having injections :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Rose

[Manicmum]

We won't be doing that either! What is the risk age for cervical cancer...not anywhere near 9 surely ???!! Why can't it be done a bit older anyway

[Carol]

The Human Papilloma Virus, this is what this vaccine is supposed to protect one against (and it doesn't cover all of the strains HPV), is a sexually transmitted virus. If I remember correctly, they are aiming at giving to the 9 to 26 year olds..................over that ageI think one has to pay for it. I could be wrong ???

So how many sexually active 9 year olds do you know?

[SarahC]

None! But they did used to give rubella at 11 didn't they.

Guess they are working on the same principles - get 'em before the event

How long before it is given to boys to stop them infecting their future partners?

[Carol]

Talk about Freedom of Choice. :-

They are now talking about making this Compulsory for 11 & 12 year olds.

[Carol]

Alex,

I don't have a clue why they are making this compulsory......................that's the powers that be for you >

Like you, I or my parents, know of no one in our families to have suffered this. The way I look at, it's down to the female to make her own decsion as to whether to take the risk. And aslo, to how she behaves in order to reduce the risks of cathing HPV in the first place.

And don't forget this vaccine doesn't cover all strains of HPV either.

Carol x

[nummycub]

This is baffling me ??? ???

My cousin who I mentioned on another thread who was diagnoised with an aggressive form of pre cervical cancer :'( :'( she has never been the stereo typical good time girl, never slept around and only ever had one partner, her husband, and it was the same for him. They have been married years so we know it isnt STD although this cancer runs through her fathers side of the family, among his sisters, think 4 out of 6 of them had it. All monogamous relationships.

She has been told it was genetic just like other forms of cancer so even if she did go for the vaccine of her wee girl, chances are it wouldnt protect her anyway ??? ??? ???

Sorry but I just wanted to say HPV doesnt always come from sleeping around ??? ???

Kathleen, still confused and afraid :'(

[Carol]

Kathleen,

I realise that HPV doesn't always come from sleeping around.

If you do a web search on Human Papilloma Virus it always appears to state that it is mostly a sexually transmitted vrius.

You have pointed out that this runs on a relatives side of the family....................so could it be possilby be handed down genetically and possibly transmitted this way :- They say that males themselves rarely appear to suffer any signs of illness/complications from carrying the virus.

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Dare I suggest they want it to be compulsory in order to make the vaccine makers [pharmaceutical companies] even richer than they already are.
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